Robots and the Wage Worker

This diary was going to be about robots only, but I merged it with a reply to Bonddad's diary on the minimum wage.

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Bonddad performs a great public service with his daily capsules and occasional topical reviews on economics. In his latest offering he states:

[Quote] So, why do I write about economics on Democratic blogs?  Isn't economics the realm of Republicans?  No.  Republican economists typically lack methodological depth; they look at surface numbers without seriously looking at the components of those numbers.  But there is a deeper reason for this: economics is essential to understanding what is happening and creating and implementing policy.  Economics is the tool that will help the Democrats create a better America if  we use the tools economics provides.[Quote]

While we are looking past the surface figure for the underlying trends, how about the impact of robotics on unskilled workers. Humans will be the easiest to replace in such fields as agriculture, fast food, and janitorial services. A 30 year old working minimum wage will collect social security in 30 years, but will be replaced by robots in 20 (at most). The current goal of the major Japaneese and Korean auto makers is to be able to mass-produce a robot for about the price of a new car ~40 thousand dollars. The software/firmware component will be rendered obsolete frequently, but it will be no more expensive to upgrade than buying a PC ~2 thousand dollars every 2 years. So if I have a suitable robot worker for 5 years my cost should be 40 thousand plus 4 thousand. The cost of a minimum wage worker is 10 thousand a year. Total cost 50 thousand. The economic logic is irresistable. No health care, no pension, and the "skill" of the robot worker will grow with some "Moore's Law" style exponential rate.

I might speculate that the resale value of a robot may drop by 50% each year.

Year 0: 40,000
Year 1: 20,000
Year 2: 10,000
Year 3: 5,000
Year 4: 2,500
Year 5: 1,250

That resale value is another thing you don't get with human workers. In fact, you get higher turnover for the workers than you do for almost every piece of durable capital, including robots.

Considering the emotional and energetic defense of Social Security & the fight for and against closing the border, the nail-biting about robotics is not proportional to its imminence and potential political impact. Robotic workers will necessitate a massive increase in welfare payments to the low-skill workforce. Robotic workers could make every human part of an aristocracy of the flesh, whose social role is to exploit robot slaves and make sure they don't revolt. Robotic workers may inspire humans to accelerate genetic engineering and bionics in order to keep up with the exponential rate of evolution of robots. There could be a bifurcation in human society between those who master technology, and those who are mastered by it: the implications for democracy are profound.

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I think your timeline is way too conservative.. (none / 0)

I think that its already happening..

First thing, you define 'robots' much too generally..

Look at the implications of the Web, specifically web forms.. Now, a store can be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.. They don't need the same kinds of employees, or (hushhh!) anywhere NEAR as many.. In fact, many businesses just have one principal.. although they hide it well..

The economics of scale work well in this situation.. other firms exist to supply fulfillment services for small web-based businesses.. The owner/president/head honcho can be cooling his heels at the beach, counting the money rolling in via his wireless connection while the people he pays a few pennies on the dollar at the fulfillment house ship his products for him..

All of these web-enabled applications hum quietly away.. The web site you see is only a tiny piece of it.. there are also web services that choreographed interactions between the vendor, his credit card merchant, his fulfillment house and his suppliers/manufacturers or whatever..

get the picture? where are the people?

now, would you consider that system a 'robot'?

No..

But its that kind of system that IS 'eliminating' the most jobs.. And those jobs wont come back.. ever

by ultraworld on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 04:03:16 PM EST

Also, we need to look at history.. (none / 0)

And the history is DISTURBING..

The situation now is much like that in Europe in the period between the two World Wars..

You have an entire generation, almost, of people who have almost zero political participation, who put their own welfare above everything else..

They define themselves by thier contempt for 'liberal' values.. which basically, among many other things, means a fair - and by definition, more competitive - environment for them.. Hard work.. With China in the picture.. VERY hard work.. People in the US have no concept of what suffering really is.. WHY people in Asia are willing to work for 'almost nothing' (the situation that endears them so to the real elite, which has nothing but contempt for their outer circles of 'supporters' - as witnessed by how quickly they are exporting and automating their jobs out from under them)

Paul, the thing I fear is GENOCIDE or its functional equivalent, here in the US..

I don't really want to go into the reasons why, but I see it coming very quickly..

The foundation for various forms of genocide are already being laid.. actually..

BTW, genocide doesnt necessarily mean gas chambers or mass graves.. there are other forms of genocide..

Hard drugs.. long, crippling prison sentences, marginalization by bankruptcy and genetic 'genelining' so that whole families cannot get health insurance outside a group plan.. plans which are increasingly becoming unavailable to all but the elite..

Death can come in many ways..

by ultraworld on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 04:18:35 PM EST
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Here's another system that enables a LOT (none / 0)

of automation...

One that wasn't around a few years ago..

http://www.comedi.org/

Don't get me wrong.. I am a big fan of automation..

But I think we are kidding ourselves if we don't realize just how few of the people who have jobs today will be able to work in the workplace of ten or fifteen years from now..

They would be a security risk..

Lots of expensive machines and mission-critical systems..

And even if they are willing to work for free.. they will just get in the way..

by ultraworld on Sat Jul 16, 2005 at 05:07:23 PM EST


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